and she continued with reference to the submissions of the plaintiff and the counter submissions of the Crown.
17 I do not conclude that the learned magistrate applied any wrong test.
18 Ground 3:
Her Worship erred in adopting the Crown submissions that inconsistencies between Crown witnesses did not provide substantial reasons for requiring a witness for cross-examination at committal, on the basis that 'Almost every criminal prosecution involving civilian witnesses includes some degree of inconsistency between the witnesses and it is indicative of the witness having provided his or her own subjective account rather than having colluded with others.'
19 This quotation is directly from the Crown written submissions. Her Worship made two references to the adoption of Crown submissions, the first in relation to the extension of the areas upon which witnesses whom she directed attend could be cross examined and the second in relation to additional witnesses sought by the plaintiff but not sought by Ta'ala. In dealing with the first matter she did include in her remarks some issues which could not have been the subject of testimony by the witnesses who were to be called, in particular the voluntariness of the recorded interview and the witness re-enactment. Her reasons in full context were:
"Accordingly in relation to the application of Mr Black to cross-examine the above named persons on areas beyond the order already made I have had regard to and considered the oral and written submissions made on behalf of Mr Black and those made in response by the Crown in respect of reliability and credit, motive, inconsistent statements of individual witnesses, statements inconsistent with other witnesses, the mental health of Mr Black, the voluntariness of the recorded interview and the witness re-enactment. I agree with the reasons identified in the written submissions of the Crown which I adopt and I am not satisfied that substantial reasons exist to warrant the extension of the orders already made in respect of the areas of cross-examination of each of those named persons. Those reasons identified by the Crown would form part of the reasoning process of my judgment and simply because of their length I don't set them out in full this morning.
Further, in respect of the applications of each of the additional witnesses to those already identified, namely, Williams, Knight, Hoffman, Snook, Wright, Tutaki, Detective Sergeant Hutcheson and Constable Currey, and in respect of each area of cross-examination sought I have had regard to and considered the oral and written submissions of each of the defendants and the Crown. I agree with the reasons identified by the Crown in their written submissions, which I adopt, and I am not satisfied there are substantial reasons to grant any further application in respect of cross-examination of those witnesses identified on any area. Accordingly I make the same orders in respect of the application by Mr Black under s48E in relation to the identity of witnesses and areas of cross-examination for which leave is granted as I have made in respect of the application for Mr Ta'ala." (Spelling of some surnames has been corrected).
20 The Crown submission merely pointed to a common feature of evidence in criminal cases and impliedly invited Her Worship to find that in this case the circumstances did not demonstrate substantial reasons for the orders being made.
21 The plaintiff has expressly submitted, "for the present case, the relevant test is whether the justice is of the opinion that there are 'substantial reasons why, in the interests of justice, the witness should attend to give oral evidence'."
22 The submission repeats the terms of the statute. Her Worship's reasons included negative findings in those terms. That those findings were elaborated and an observation in submissions of the Crown adopted, is not a demonstration that some wrong test has been applied.
23 Ground 4:
Her Worship erred in adopting the Crown submission that although there were 'clear issues in relation to the admissibility of the ERISP given the defendant's request for legal representation', there was no benefit in cross-examining the police officer who interviewed the Plaintiff.
24 Again, as stated, the quotation in the ground is extracted from the Crown written submissions which were in broad, but unqualified, terms adopted in the learned magistrate's reasons.
25 It is true that, as submitted on behalf of the Crown to this Court, the basis for an argument that the ERISP is inadmissible appears in the ERISP itself. But there are other considerations which potentially might be taken into account as to whether the record would in fact be admitted. The Crown submission asserted the irrelevance of what the detective thought about the propriety of continuing his questioning in the particular circumstances. The detective's state of mind is relevant to predictable need for a trial judge to exercise discretion under s138 of the Evidence Act. In particular s138(3)(e) of that Act directs that there be taken into account, where there is impropriety or contravention of Australian law, whether such was deliberate or reckless.
26 Such an issue is conformable with concepts expressed in Losurdo by Hidden J which were endorsed by the Court of Appeal. His Honour had said:
"…. It may be appropriate to cross-examine witnesses at committal with an eye to the exercise of a discretion by a trial judge, even though the magistrate has no such discretion: particularly in a case, such as this, where the rejection of the evidence at trial may be fatal to the Crown case. In this regard it should not be forgotten that a properly conducted committal can benefit the prosecution as much as the defence. Cross-examination about a matter giving rise to discretionary rejection might elicit material in support of an objection and assist to bring the relevant issues into focus. Equally, it might establish that there is no foundation for such an objection."
27 The submission by the Crown to the Local Court which was adopted as Her Worship's reason did not extend beyond the bare statement which is paraphrased in the ground.
28 I emphasize again that the jurisdiction of this Court is not to determine whether any ruling in the Local Court was correct or erroneous, but on this matter it appears that what occurred was no more than the adoption of a rhetorical statement and in my view it constituted a failure to exercise jurisdiction to such an extent that it must be concluded that the purported exercise did not amount to requisite exercise at all. There is no indication that relevant issues for cross examination were addressed appearing either in the reasons delivered or the incorporated written submission.
29 Ground 4 is made out.
30 Ground 5: