4 According to the evidence of Constable Wray-Watts, when the applicant was shown this firearm by the police, and asked who it belonged to, he said he did not know. However, his defence at trial was that he had met a person called Damien Mueller in 1998. He met Mr Mueller again in 1999, and then Mr Mueller came to his shop very frequently. At some stage, the applicant began allowing Mr Mueller into the shop behind the counter. Mr Mueller came in on one occasion and said that he had had an argument with his mother and had been asked to leave home, and asked whether he could bring some items to leave at the applicant's premises. The applicant agreed, and Mr Mueller had brought some items into the shop. The applicant did not check those items, although some were in gun bags, which, although he did not open them, by their shape suggested that they contained firearms. Mr Mueller brought some other items at the same time, and other people at other times also went behind the counter. For those reasons, the applicant said that he "presumed" that the firearm in question belonged to Mr Mueller. As Pullin J observed, this is perhaps surprising behaviour for a person who holds a firearm dealer's licence. Nevertheless, that was his evidence.