The average person is not in a position to know all these things, and so only his bank manager can advise on whether the bank will lend money on the facts put before it. It is not possible to know before the application goes through the bank system whether you have slotted the facts of your application in with what the bank policy is. We knew that we were inexperienced, and so we asked Richard to draw up the budgets for us, and to advise us on the most appropriate kind of finance for us and we supplied him with all the information we had. We said we would need at least $3,000 apart from the tractor deposit, as we had to pay $1,000 in accounts, and we had to pay out the National Bank debt of $2,000, which would mean an immediate pay-out of $3,000. We said we thought we needed a long-term development loan like the soldier settlement farmers used to get over 30 years at low interest, but he said they were not available any more (but they were - see G34 page 86 and 87) [references to documents originally annexed to the proof] but that the bank serviced the same needs through overdrafts and other loans. We believed him, and went on with the discussion. We described our property and assets and our belief as to their value. He did not contradict us. We described the farm, Richard took in the information given to him, and wrote it all in the bank documentation. We told him we had 200 pigs, consisting of 50 sows, 150 mixed pigs from birth to baconer, and we would be able to sell 150 of these during the year, and in addition some of our sows were pregnant, and these, together with future pregnancies, would produce about 300 more pigs during the year, which could be sold as baconers. We said we would like to build up the number of sows until eventually we had 100 to 150 sows, in full production some years in the future. We said we could breed our own sows, but may also be able to improve bloodlines by purchasing some, but they were expensive and may not thrive out of sheds. We said we would need at least $3,000 for fodder to start with, and that if we could afford it, meatmeal, which should be added to the pigs' diet to speed up production. We had not done a chart like (G41), as we did not know how to do it, but we tried to give Richard the idea of what would be involved in raising for baconers for sale at a constant rate, and we said that you have to keep the food up to them or they don't grow. We also said that they grow slower than pigs raised in sheds, but you get a better quality carcass, because of the exercise they get and the roughage they eat. We said we could sell the pigs we had on hand as they reached baconer stage, and depending on the carcass weight you would expect returns of between $55 to $70 per head. We said that the price of pig feed was currently $50 a tonne, but that it went up and down, depending on seasonal conditions. If there was early rain in 1977, the grain that the farmers held back for sheep feed would be on sale, as the sheep would then be eating green feed, and the grain would be cheap. If it was a late year, the farmers would keep back their feed grain and it would be expensive. The bank would need to know that in order to understand our situation and financial needs. As far as cropping went, the land we were proposing to crop on our property had been cleared some years ago, but that we had been involved in share farming, and while we were away and since, the bush had grown back up to a height of 3 to 4 feet, (as seen by inspection of Richard's relieving officer) so we would have to chain it, plough it, root rake it, plough it again and then seed it. The land to be share farmed was all cleared and clovered and some of our land had clover on it. We had 1,000 gallons of fuel on hand and would need to buy more later. We thought it may be enough for seeding but we didn't know how much fuel the new tractor would use, so there was need to have flexibility. As far as crop yields were concerned, we said that as with all crops, it depended on how good the season was. If we had a good season we could get up to six bags to the acre, and if we had a bad season it could be as low as two bags to the acre, or could be unharvestable as, unless it grew high enough, it couldn't be harvested on the rough ground, because the header would be broken by the mallee roots and rocks. We said we had enough super on hand for half a bag to the acre over the whole crop. We thought it would be good if we could put more, but were uncertain whether we could afford it, and that would depend on how much money the bank could lend us and we could repay. We have seen many people waste thousands of dollars on super, and we had observed conservative neighbours who consistently got good yields with reasonable applications of super by using good tillage techniques, and we hoped to emulate them (TB 1, pages 2569 - 2572).