"I mean we are talking about transferability from one year to the other. Every year we been promised, next year, next year, next year. Transferability. Right in the start when the management man came in, right, they said you would have for the first two years, you going to have only transferability for the amalgamation, and afterwards there should be full transferability. They pulled that underneath. Then they said OK, when we get the industry sorted out, you will have transferability. We gone on every year, every year, and at least twice a year in the management advisory committee that thing come up, and said, when are we going to get transferability? Yeah, we got to do this, we got to do that. We still haven't got a long term vision. I mean, for how long do you want for people to hang on a limb? I mean, this is what - this industry being strung out for ten years, and locked in, in a so-called non-transferability situation. And what happened was, for most people it was easier to fight the government against the non-transferability thing, it was easier to just make a contract what achieved the same thing, right? I mean, even Trysh Stone said, if he doesn't get it under the compassionate thing, why can't he see a solicitor and do the job. He knew Coates what did most of those contracts. He knew exactly about it. Why can't he see him? I mean, that was the thing. Now, people then finding full solution. They don't get stuck into the system for ten years or longer, waiting for AFMA to finally come clean on their policies. I mean, the industry for a long, long time said, bring transferability in. They said, oh, we have to bring legislation. Said bring the legislation in at the same time as the transferability. And it dragged on, and AFMA made never ever an attempt to really solve the problem, and of course people made their own arrangements. That is, what it was all about".