Australian Competition & Consumer Commission v McCaskey
[2000] FCA 1037
At a glance
Source factsCourt
Federal Court of Australia
Decision date
2000-08-01
Before
French J
Source
Original judgment source is linked above.
Judgment (27 paragraphs)
Introduction 1 When Shylock in the Merchant of Venice demanded a pound of his debtor's flesh he was confounded by the very law which he invoked. The community attitude reflected in Shakespeare's play is deep seated and persistent. In today's credit-based economy the collection of payments for goods and services is an indispensable element of trade and commerce but the use of physical force, undue harassment or coercion in connection with the collection of debts is regarded as unacceptable. It is prohibited by the Trade Practices Act of the Commonwealth and the Fair Trading Acts of the various States. In this case a debt collector and its employee have admitted to engaging in undue harassment and coercion as well as misleading or deceptive conduct in connection with the collection of debts. The debt collector, Cash Return Mercantile Pty Ltd ("Cash Return") and its employee Sharyn McCaskeyhave been sued by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission ("ACCC") and have consented to the making of various orders by way of declaration and injunction against them. It is necessary now for the Court to consider whether the proposed orders are within power and appropriate.
Factual Background 2 Cash Return is a company which, until recently, carried on the business of supplying debt collection services involving the collection of payment for goods or services from consumers on behalf of its clients. Sharyn McCaskey was an employee of Cash Return engaged to recover debts from consumers on behalf of Cash Return's clients. Incidents involving attempts by Ms McCaskey to collect payment on behalf of Cash Return from four debtors have led to the present proceedings. The facts of those incidents are reflected in statements from persons who were to be called as witnesses in the trial of this application. Those statements have each now been agreed by both Ms McCaskey and Cash Return to be true and correct. The following factual history is based upon them. 3 The first incident arose out of the supply by Reward Consultancy Pty Ltd, trading as NetNology, of video conferencing services to TouchGold Pty Ltd. The account was unpaid because TouchGold disputed that the services provided were in accordance with the terms agreed. The rights and wrongs of the dispute are not material here. 4 The conduct the subject of the present application so far as it relates to the TouchGold debt involved three telephone calls to Ms Byart by Ms McCaskey. In the first call on 30 January 1998, Ms McCaskey introduced herself, said she was ringing about the outstanding account with NetNology and said that she was "…sending someone around now to collect the cheque". Ms Byart was not willing to pay until she had received a breakdown of the account. Ms McCaskey suggested an interim payment of $4,000 as a goodwill gesture for the time being and said she would send someone around to collect it. Ms Byart maintained that she wanted a breakdown of the charges. Ms McCaskey said she would check about the breakdown but again asked for a cheque for $4,000 to be ready by the following Monday. Ms Byart didn't agree to that and said she wanted a breakdown of the charges. Ms McCaskey said: "Look, I'm warning you…I want the money paid or a summons will be issued against you." Her manner was described by Ms Byart as "very abrupt, authoritative, forceful and demanding". 5 On the following Monday, 2 February 1998, Ms McCaskey again telephoned Ms Byart. She opened the conversation by saying words to the following effect: "Sharyn McCaskey here. Stop messing around here. You should pay this bill. I have someone here and they are going to walk out this door to collect your cheque. If you don't agree to have the cheque ready, then they'll go and issue a summons and this is going to destroy your credit rating and disgrace you and…" Ms Byart asked whether this was a threat and Ms McCaskey said that she was threatening Ms Byart but it was justifiable because she should be paying the bill. Ms Byart made reference to a heart condition from which she suffered and that the stress was causing her to have breathing difficulties at that time. Ms McCaskey said that if Ms Byart had a heart condition she shouldn't be in business. Ms Byart reiterated that she would not pay anything until she had a breakdown of the costs. Ms McCaskey claimed to have faxed the information to her on the Friday of their last conversation. Ms Byart checked her fax machine and fax journal entries but there was no record of any such document. When she told Ms McCaskey this, Ms McCaskey said: "Well, I sent it. You must be lying. You are just trying to get out of paying this debt…Anyway, you said on Friday that you were going to pay $4,000 today." Ms Byart denied that she had agreed to pay $4,000. Ms McCaskey asserted she had said it and that she had recorded the conversation and that she was recording their current conversation. When Ms Byart questioned the legality of this action, Ms McCaskey said: "Well it is legal I've had discussions with the police and I have got permission from them to do it. Anyway, I have already sent the breakdown and now you are just refusing to pay." Ms Byart offered to send a courier to collect the breakdown information from Ms McCaskey. Ms McCaskey said: "No, I don't want you to do that. I know I sent it to you. I've sent it to you three fucking times now. I'm not going to keep sending it." Ms Byart said she was not prepared to discuss the matter any further and asked where she could send the courier to pick up the information. Ms McCaskey gave her an address in Fremantle. Ms Byart asked her to stop shouting. Ms McCaskey said Ms Byart was the one who was shouting and said "…we have it all on tape, remember". Ms Byart asked for a copy of the tape and Ms McCaskey responded: "You have got to be joking. This tape recording is going to be used against you. We may not be able to use it in court, but we can use it against you - don't you worry, I'll get what I want from you." 6 Ms Byart has suffered stress related coronary artery spasms which cause breathing difficulties and increases in her blood pressure. She carries a nitroglycerine sub-lingual spray to treat the symptoms when they occur. After her second conversation with Ms McCaskey she used the spray and saw her general practitioner who took her blood pressure and calmed her down but did not prescribe any additional medication. On her return to the office Ms Byart arranged for a courier to collect the breakdown information from Ms McCaskey at the address given in Fremantle. The document they returned with was simply a copy of the invoice she had originally received from NetNology and not the breakdown of costs requested. Subsequently Ms Byart telephoned the Ministry of Fair Trading and was referred to the Commercial Agents Squad. She advised NetNology that she had lodged a complaint about the conduct of Ms McCaskey. She sent letters to both the Ministry of Fair Trading and the Commercial Agents Squad on 14 February 1998 outlining her concerns. Ms McCaskey called her again a few days later and said: "Yes, we know you have made a complaint and spoken to people, but that will not do you any good." She referred to the Sergeant of Police with whom Ms Byart had spoken at the Commercial Agents Squad and then said: "He will not do you any good because he is in trouble. And, he will be in a mess with his supervisors over this. I have connections at a higher level than him he is a nobody and I am friendly with his superiors. Because he has told you this stuff, I'm going to make sure that he is taken care of. And the police said it was OK for me to tape telephone conversations." Ms Byart said she did not have to talk to Ms McCaskey, she had reported her conduct because it was completely unacceptable. She said she still did not have the breakdown details so if they wanted to sue her they could do it. She then hung up. A summons was issued by NetNology seeking payment of the outstanding invoice and Ms Byart engaged Minter Ellison, Solicitors to act on behalf of TouchGold. The dispute over the account remains unsettled and the summons has not been pursued by NetNology. 7 The second incident which is the subject of this application concerns the recovery of a bill for legal services provided to Margaret Piercy. In mid-1997 Ms Piercy engaged the services of Ann-Marie Adam, a legal practitioner to represent her in proceedings in the Family Court. Ms Adam acted on her behalf in those legal proceedings and on 9 October 1998 sent her an invoice in the amount of $5,220.98. The matter was settled and on 15 October 1998 Ms Piercy's husband paid an agreed settlement amount of $120,000 into her bank account. On the same day she purchased a property at Yangebup for $117,000 using the proceeds of the settlement and moved in shortly afterwards. On 29 October 1998 Ms Piercy received a letter from Ms Adam requesting payment of the outstanding amount which was then $5,284.98 by 31 October 1998. 8 On 6 November 1998, two weeks after she had moved into her new home, Ms Piercy was visited by a man who introduced himself as a private investigator and asked whether she was going to pay the debt owed to Ms Adam. Ms Piercy said she was. He then gave her a card with Ms McCaskey's name on it. Ms Piercy rang Ms McCaskey who asked how much she could pay that day. Ms Piercy told Ms McCaskey that she had just bought the house with the money from the court settlement but could pay $800 on that day. She was given an account number at the Spearwood branch of the Commonwealth Bank and later that day went to that branch and deposited $800 into the account which Ms McCaskey had designated. 9 Subsequently Ms Piercy applied for a loan to the Challenge Bank to pay the account but was told that the bank would not be willing to provide her with a loan. On the day that she was at the bank her son, Bradley, was at home and answered a telephone call from Ms McCaskey. Ms McCaskey asked where his mother was. He told her that she had gone to get a loan. Ms McCaskey said "We don't want her money, we are selling the house". The boy responded "like fuck". Ms McCaskey said "You stupid little fucking idiot, what's your name, do you know who you're messing with? You had better apologise." The boy said "Sorry" and then hung up. On the following Friday, Ms McCaskey again telephoned Ms Piercy and said she wanted the rest of the money. Ms McCaskey told Ms Piercy that she was not going to have "…a fucking smart ass little kid telling me what to do". Ms Piercy said she could not get a loan overnight. Ms McCaskey said: "I'll come around and take your house and sell it if you don't pay the money. I mean business, honey." 10 Ms Piercy then approached Barry Elmslie of Finance Broking Services who arranged to meet her the following afternoon so that she could make an application for a loan. She telephoned Ms McCaskey back to explain how she was dealing with the matter, that Mr Elmslie was coming around to her home the following day to sort it all out. Ms McCaskey noted that this would simply involve making an application. She said "That is not good enough and we want our money now. If it is not paid by 5pm tonight we are going to sell your house, honey. We don't play games". Ms Piercy responded that she was trying to get the money together and Ms McCaskey then said: "Listen here, love. We are not joking with you, we are not mucking around. I mean business. Ring me at my office as soon as you find out about the finance." She hung up on Ms Piercy. Ms McCaskey then rang back and said "…and I mean my Rockingham office, not Fremantle" following which she hung up again. 11 On 17 November Mr Elmslie came to Ms Piercy's home, they completed the application for a loan and he told her he would phone Ms Adam to let her know that in his opinion finance was likely to be approved. He telephoned Ms Adam's office in Ms Piercy's presence and advised a person at the office that finance was likely to be approved. After Mr Elmslie had had his conversation with somebody at Ms Adam's office, Ms McCaskey rang and spoke to Ms Piercy again asking when she was going to pay the debt. Ms Piercy pointed out she had a financial broker with her at the time. Ms McCaskey responded "Really? Well, I want written authorisation saying the money is going to be available. I want the money - I'm not mucking around here love." Ms Piercy said she was trying to get the finance as quickly as possible and Mrs McCaskey said: "I don't care what you do and I don't care if you are on a pension. We just want our money. It is no use getting other people to help and phone us up and beg for pity because you are on a pension. If I don't get the money soon I'm going to commence legal proceedings and I'm going to take your house. My husband I have just bought a house and I know how long it takes to settle so you can't fool me, honey. I mean business." Ms Piercy pointed out that nobody had said anything about her being on a pension. Ms McCaskey responded that Mr Elmslie had and that she was in Ms Adam's office at the time. Mr Elmslie then took the phone and explained to Ms McCaskey that he was helping Ms Piercy to obtain finance. He was, however, interrupted during the course of the conversation. He then hung up the telephone. The telephone rang again, Mr Elmslie told Ms Piercy to pick it up and immediately hang up, which she did. It rang five or six times and each time Ms Piercy picked it up and then hung up. 12 On 23 November 1998, Mr Elmslie telephoned Ms Piercy at home and advised her that he had just received advice of loan approval from the ANZ Bank for the amount of $20,000. 13 On 30 November 1998, Ms Piercy was at home with a friend, Sue, when the phone rang. Sue answered the phone and then said "I am not Margaret, I am a friend of hers." She then passed the phone over to Ms Piercy. It was Sharyn McCaskey. She said: "Seeing you are getting the finance arranged I want you to come in and sign a declaration that the money will be paid no later than 4 December." Ms Piercy was not prepared to do that and said that Mr Elmslie had advised her not to sign anything. However as a result of Ms McCaskey's request later that day she went to the Bibra Lake Post Office and sent a fax to Ms Adam's office stating that once her loan was paid into the bank account, which should be no later than 4 December 1998, she would pay Ms Adam immediately by bank cheque for the full amount of the debt. About that time she received a further telephone call from Ms McCaskey who said that she was going to the bailiff's office and getting a letter of execution. She told Ms Piercy that she should not pretend to not be at home because the bailiff would simply nail the notice to her front door. Ms Piercy found Ms McCaskey's manner during all of the telephone conversations to be intimidating, aggressive and overbearing. She felt frightened and stressed and as a result did not answer her phone at all during the day. The necessary paperwork was completed by 4 December and on that day her bank account was credited with $20,000. She went to Ms Adam's office the same day to pay the account in full. She was referred to the Cash Return office. She went there and paid the debt. 14 The third incident to which this application relates concerned Jason Robert Standing. On 22 July 1998 a veterinarian from Searle Mobile Veterinary Service came to his home, by prior arrangement, to vaccinate his dog and her puppies. He was at work at the time. When he returned home his wife told him that the vaccinations had been given and that she had given the vet a cheque of $130. Mr Standing was not happy with this as the representative he had spoken to from the veterinary service the previous day had quoted a lower price over the phone. He phoned the veterinary service office and spoke to a woman who said he would not have been given a lower quote over the phone. Mr Standing then arranged for the cheque to be stopped. 15 On or about 11 March 1999 he received a letter from Cash Return signed by Ms McCaskey. The letter stated that as he had not settled his debt despite their constant requests, a summons had been drawn and would be issued unless he paid the amount of $162.50 within forty eight hours. The $162.50 was said to be made up of the original invoice amount of $130 plus "other charges" of $32.50. 16 Later that day, Mr Standing telephoned the offices of Cash Return. He spoke with someone called Kylie and said he was phoning her because he had just received a letter from Ms McCaskey. He told Kylie he was disputing the account. He said that the letter claimed there had been "constant requests" but he had not had any previous correspondence. Kylie said: "That is not true. You would have received notification by now. You are a liar. Do you think you can just rip people off and not pay?" Standing asked to speak to her superior, to which Kylie said, "…she is worse than I am anyway". She told him to "cop it sweet and pay up". Mr Standing hung up. Ten minutes later the telephone rang and it was Ms McCaskey. She asked his name and then asked him whether he would like to be arrested by the Fraud Squad. She said, "I'm Sharyn McCaskey from Lee's Legal, working for Cash Return. You have committed an offence. It is an offence to stop a cheque. I will make an example of you. You can just ask around town because I am well known as a person who makes examples of low-lives like you. I'm going to get the police to come around…". Mr Standing told her he had not received any letters or anything. She told him he was lying. She referred to another alleged debt owed to Bi-low which would also require immediate payment. He asked where the paperwork was for that. She said: "Oh, you would have received that by now. Look, do you want to be arrested by the police? I will make an example of you." He asked why she would want to make an example out of him. She said because she wanted to and because she could. She said to him: "…now the only acceptable method of payment is by depositing the entire amount of both debts into a Cash Return Trust Account by the close of business tomorrow." She told him to get a pen ready. She asked someone in the office for a bank account number and then she said: "One of the girls here used to go to primary school with you, and she reckons you are a good kisser. It is a pity you turned into such a loser, hey? Oh, can you hear us all laughing, we're having a good laugh at you." She then gave him the number of a Cash Return Trust Account with the Commonwealth Bank. She told him his cheques were no good and that it must be cash and asked if he would pay in cash by the end of the day. She said that he had better pay or they would have the police there. Later Mr Standing's wife, Michelle, returned home from the shopping and he told her about the details of his telephone conversation with Ms McCaskey. His wife then said that in order to avoid further hassles she had telephoned the offices of the veterinary service on 22 July and that shortly after that a representative from the service had come to their house and collected $130 in cash from her. She showed him the veterinary service invoice which bore the handwritten word "Paid". 17 On 12 March 1999, Mr Standing telephoned the Fraud Squad, Credit Legal Services and Credit Care to seek advice about his rights and to complain about Ms McCaskey's behaviour. Shortly after making those calls he telephoned the offices of Cash Return and had a further telephone conversation with Ms McCaskey. He told her he had a receipt for the bill and that his wife had paid it in cash on 22 July 1998. She said: "Well, I was just on the phone to the vet and that is bullshit. You are lying. You must pay." He told her this was stupid, that he would post her a copy of the receipt and that he was considering making a complaint against her. She said there was nothing he could do and that she had good news. She told him he wouldn't be getting a summons because she had passed it on to the Fraud Squad already. Subsequently Mr Standing telephoned the Perth Office of the ACCC to further complain about Ms McCaskey. He sent Cash Return a copy of the receipt and a copy of its letter of 10 March 1999 to show that the debt had been paid in full. On Monday, 15 March 1999, he received a further telephone call from a woman who identified herself as Kylie. She told him that she had just received his paperwork that day and that he owed $264. He told her she could send him the paperwork for another bill and as far as that went he didn't want to talk any more. The telephone rang again shortly after and this time it was Ms McCaskey on the phone. The substance of that conversation was to the effect that because his wife's name was on the invoice, they would take a summons out against her as well. That would be in addition to his summons for the other bill. He hung up. 18 The fourth incident which has given rise to this application, concerned Norma Joan Campbell and her husband, Kevin, who are directors of Meishiwang Australia Pty Ltd trading as San Remo Store. The company acquired the store on 1 January 1999. Prior to that date Mrs Campbell's daughter, Esther Cook and her husband Chris Cook had run the store. At that time Chris Cook had also carried on a business called Abstract Signs. It appears that late in December 1998, he had made an agreement, through Abstract Signs, with a Mrs Oliver, of Superfine Print, to purchase a quantity of business cards for about $120. 19 About 12 March 1999 in the afternoon, Mrs Campbell received a telephone call from Ms McCaskey who asked to speak to her husband. He was not there at the time. Ms McCaskey asked if she was speaking to Mrs Campbell. She said she was. Ms McCaskey said she had Mrs Oliver on the phone and said: "Mrs Oliver, this is Norma on the other line, this is Kevin's Norma. Kevin is not in. Now according to Superfine Print you owe $120 to them and we want to know why that hasn't been paid." Mrs Campbell replied that it was not her debt. She said that Kevin was not present, nor was the person who owed the money. She would have to call back. Ms McCaskey asked Mrs Oliver if was true that Kevin Campbell had said he had paid the bill. Mrs Oliver said it was. Ms McCaskey then said that made Mrs Campbell responsible for it. She replied that she was not Kevin, she had never said that and she was not responsible for the debt. Ms McCaskey then said: "I have a summons here that I am going to start writing out right this minute, so I can get the money off you straight away. And, I'll make that summons against your shop." Mrs Campbell told her to go ahead and do it. She also told Mrs Oliver she was wasting money because it was not her debt. It would cost her money to issue the summons and then issue another summons to the right person. Ms McCaskey replied: "No. The debt is yours and you are being summonsed for it." Mrs Campbell then hung up. A few seconds later Ms McCaskey called back and said: "Listen here you, don't you hang up on me." Mrs Campbell asked for Ms McCaskey's phone number, which she was given and asked her the name of the company which she claimed to own. Ms McCaskey said: "That is for you to find out sweetie. And don't think you can just hang up on me. You owe this debt…." Mrs Campbell then hung up. The telephone rang again a few seconds later and Ms McCaskey again said: "Don't you hang up on me. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to come into your shop and I'm going to wait until there are a lot of people in your shop and then I'm going to embarrass you to the hilt and then hand you the summons." Mrs Campbell told Ms McCaskey not to threaten her like that and hung up. She found Ms McCaskey's manner extremely intimidating and aggressive. It made her feel unnerved and upset. She rang her husband who came straight back to the shop. They decided to lodge a formal complaint against Ms McCaskey. They telephoned the Ministry of Fair Trading and were referred to the ACCC. The ACCC suggested they also contact the Commercial Agents Squad. The officer at the Squad that she spoke to advised her to tell Ms McCaskey that she did not want Ms McCaskey to contact her or her husband again regarding the debt. She telephoned Ms McCaskey and started to tell her that she did not want any further contact from her. McCaskey hung up. She tried again and Ms McCaskey hung up once more. Mr Campbell telephoned Mrs Oliver and told her not to contact the Campbells by telephone or speak to either of them regarding the debt. About half an hour later the phone rang and the caller, whose voice Mrs Campbell recognised as Sharyn McCaskey, said: "This is Melissa from Lee's Legal." Mrs Campbell asked again for her name. The response was: "Melissa from Lee's Legal. We are ringing about the threat you have made to the Squad. What is the name of your shop?" Mrs Campbell asked again for the name of the caller and the name of the company. Ms McCaskey then said: "Listen here you. Don't you think you can stop me. No-one can stop me. They have been trying to stop me for years. They have been trying to get my licence off me for years and they've never been able to because I know the right people. I have barbecue lunches with these people from the Squad every Sunday. They are on my side. So don't think you can touch me. I'm still going to come down to your shop." Mrs Campbell then hung up and told her husband what the caller had said.