It was put to him:
Q. But there's no evidence to show that it has benefits over and above one-to-one counselling. Do you agree with that?
A. I will agree to it provided that the one-to-one treatment was equivalent in terms of what was provided to the group format. In other words, just seeing a person by generally psychologist or psychiatrist would not be equivalent to a sex offender program. It needs to be a person who could provide specific sexual offending therapy.
Q. Yes?
A. To address that sexual offending behaviour.
Q. Yes?
A. The problem is that the degree of input from the therapist would have to be very frequent.
Q. Well, is it?
A. The answer to your question is are they equivalent?
Q. Yes.
A. It could be equivalent. It's possible but there's no study which clearly shows either way.
Q. Alright. And is that partly because Corrective Services doesn't provide such treatment to persons in custody, that is, individual consultations with an appropriately qualified professional? Is that why we have no good basis of comparison?
A. It's not only Corrective Services. It's the way the programs are run, you know, in the western world. People who have a high risk, who are a risk to the community tend to be in custody, and that's where high-intensity treatment is provided and that's clearly universal in the western world.
Q. Yes?
A. Yes. People of low risk, or people who had treatment and then being released in the community, attend programs which are called maintenance, perhaps, or low intensity programs, because they have benefited, hopefully, from the treatment. In other words, their risk has been reduced from the high to a lower risk and then when released in the community they don't require that intensity so, I mean, there have been people who were high-risk who have been in the community and, yes, they are treated in the community because there's no option. I mean, if they're in the community better treat them than provide nothing, because the risk to the community is obviously much higher if they don't go into a therapeutic program.
Q. Yes, it is conceivable that it is possible to conceive of a regime for Mr Tillman, were he released on a supervision order, which would be a combination of monitoring, reporting, and intensive counselling, which would be likely to reduce his level of risk do you agree with that?
A. Well, I'm not sure. Well, I'm not sure what is possible or what is not possible because it really depends …
Q. From a resources point of view?
A. Yes.
Q. Right. Forget about that for the moment, but it would not be difficulty for you, as a professional specialising in that area, to conceive of a regime which would reduce whatever risk he may pose to the public?
A. Well, it would only be reduced after he has benefited from treatment, so during the initial stages he would remain high risk. Obviously, if he engaged and is motivated and complied with treatment, after a period of six, 12 months, the benefits of that treatment hopefully would kick in and that would reduce his risk.