Q: … You were being deliberately deceptive in asking him the question…
…
… you were trying to give the impression to the Court that on all the occasions that you were with AM at your house there was somebody else there with you…
…
…[w]ere you, or were you not [trying to give that impression]?
A: I suppose I would, thank you." [t 76.09-47].
And later:
"Q: … You had complete freedom to ask Mr AM any questions that you wanted, and you chose to ask him the question, "don't you remember that your grandmother was always there?"…
…
… [t]hat was deceptive, wasn't it?
A: Yeah, I suppose." [t 78.27-34].
16 KW conceded in cross-examination that when he took AM into the bathroom, "[AM's] grandmother was outside" [t 88.57- 89.02]:
"Q: What do you mean his grandmother was outside?
A: In the loungeroom.
Q: You were in the toilet with him by yourself?
A: We had to wipe him and that.
Q: You are using the word we?
A: I had to wipe him…" [t 89.37-44]
And later:
"Q: [T]here was never one occasion, never an occasion, when both you and AM's grandmother went into the toilet or bathroom together to attend to AM?
A: No, that's right, but she came in after to see how he went." [t 96.44-49].
17 Initially, it was KW's evidence that the plaintiff's grandmother was always at the unit [t 79.25], then the grandmother was only there in the daytime. Initially, the grandmother assisted in wiping the plaintiff's penis, then the grandmother was outside the bathroom when the plaintiff and defendant were in the bathroom.
18 KW also conceded that when alone in the bathroom with AM he had touched AM's penis:
"Q: How did you have to wipe him?
A: With a paper towel or something.
Q: What did you have to wipe [sic]?
A: His genitals and penis…
Q: And you did this without his grandmother being there, even when his grandmother was there?
A: She might have been outside, I don't know now.
Q: You have said she was probably outside in the kitchen?
A: You would do that to an animal if they are sick, to help them after an operation.
Q: So you touched AM in this way?
A: Yes, with a paper towel or toilet paper or something, to wipe him.
…
Q: Without a towel, you touched him on the penis?
A: I directed him into the bath - I don't know now.
Q: So you may have touched his penis without a tissue, without a towel to direct it into the bath?
A: Because it was very small…
Q: So you now agree that you touched AM without a towel with your hand and directed his penis to urinate into the bath?
A: Probably." [t 89.47- 90.25].
19 The plaintiff underwent six operations for the first stage of the repair of hypospadias, those being in December 1987, May 1988, September 1988, May 1989, October 1992 and 15 March 1993. The plaintiff's specialist was Dr Kern and some of his reports are in evidence. It is possible that the plaintiff did stay at KW's unit when he was recovering from one or both operations which took place in September 1988 and May 1989. In April 1989, Dr Kern reported that when the plaintiff urinated the stream tendered to veer to the right. KW asked the plaintiff [t 46.54-59; 47.1-4]:
"Q. Is it true you didn't go to the toilet, you done your business in the bath because you couldn't reach up to the toilet, you were that sick, Nanna and I were in there with you?
A. That is not my recollection of things. The only time I had help was when I asked for it. When I would ask for it was when I was in pain and then I would request help. There was not an instance where I needed someone to accompany me every single time."
20 It was put to KW that he had directed AM to urinate in his (KW's) mouth, and that he had been naked in front of AM:
"Q: And on many occasions you directed [AM] to urinate into your mouth?
A: I wouldn't do that, you wouldn't do that to an animal, and I have had several animals.
Q: And on at least one occasion you were naked in front of him?
A: I was probably going to the bath or shower…"
[t 95.17-25]
21 The plaintiff did not remember going to KW's place with his grandmother after coming out of hospital. There were occasions when KW had taken AM out to buy him gifts when AM's grandmother had not been there [t 79.19-38]. It was again put to KW that he had been deliberately deceptive when asking AM questions in the witness box.
"Q: You asked AM this question about presents…
…
…"I used to buy you presents, they were from me and your Nanna and Grandpa just for your birthday and Christmas, that's when we bought you presents", that's what you asked AM in the witness box?
A: Yes, but I should have mentioned that, the other toys.
Q: And other things that you bought?
A: But they were minor.
Q: Again you were being deliberately deceptive in the way you asked AM questions in the witness box to give the impression to her Honour that you only bought presents with his grandmother and grandfather and for birthdays and Christmas and at no other time…The impression you were trying to convey to her Honour by asking those questions was false?
A: You are trying to confuse me.
Q: Was it false or not?
A: It must have been, you are confusing me in what you are saying, and I don't feel like giving everything up everything just for me to get out. He will get it in the long run.
Q: You haven't even got a will?
A: It is an understanding --