QUINLAN, MR: Mrs Frigger, can I ask you to go to page 1,507 of that book?---Yep, I've got it open. Sorry. Seven. Seven, yep. No notice of acting in person.
Yes. Do you recognise that? And down the bottom you will see there's a fax print from H and A Frigger?---Mm.
Recording it as a facsimile transmission on 6 May. This is the facsimile that you sent to the defendant's solicitors, following the application for discovery before his Honour Judge Derrick, correct?---Yes.
Yes. And you will see that that runs to some - the facsimile, itself, runs to some 66 pages. Do you see that?---It - where - where it's got that facsimile thing on the bottom, you mean? Yep.
The last page is 1,625 of the book?---Yep. Yep. That's - that's fine.
And over the page, on page 1,508, there's a copy of the affidavit of discovery that you swore on 15 April 2014?---Mm hmm.
And on page 1,511, you swore, as part of the list of the documents, documents 165 through to 167, being the affidavit in each of those proceedings in the paragraphs and annexures that are referred to, correct?---Well, that's what it says in the - in the document. Yes.
Well, did you do it or not?---Absolutely, I - I swore this affidavit. Is that your question?
That was my question?---Yes, I swore this affidavit. I prepared the affidavit and I swore it. Is there any other questions about that?
So at that time you said that you had custody of the document which is now lost?---No. Just read it, please. It says copy and then it says the affidavit and the paragraphs and the annexures which Judge Derrick had asked me to discover, which form part of the green appeal book which I had got back from my barrister in Melbourne. That's what I was referring to.
So, for example, go to page 1,528?---Yep.
And that is a copy of the cover sheet of an affidavit sworn by you on 10 October 2010, correct?---Twelfth, actually.
Sorry, 12 October 2010?---Mm.
Correct?---Mm hmm.
Just stay on that page, Mrs Frigger?---Yep.
So you faxed that to the defendant's solicitors on 6 May?---I did.
Where did you get it from?---Well, if you look at the document itself - - -
Will you answer my question?---Well, I've already said where I got it from. I got it from the green appeal book which I got back from my barrister who was in Adelaide and which I brought to court. That's where I got it from.
Could the witness be shown that green appeal book, your Honour? Volume 3 that she provided to the court on 19 September this year.
THE WITNESS: Thank you.
QUINLAN, MR: Is that what you are saying you got it from?---Yes.
Okay. Can you find the page that I've just referred you to in that book, please?---Four twenty-one.
Yes?---Yes, I've found it.
Can you show me?---You want me to show you?
Can I just see it?---Okay.
Mrs Frigger, have you had these documents - did you take custody of these documents after they were provided to the court?---Yes. I - I - I went to a - an - level 9, like I - we had been instructed. Each party was allowed to take the documents from the court and make copies and bring them back. So I actually came here on a Friday and Judge - his Honour and his associate was not in Perth at the time but I spoke to the receptionist and I believe the receptionist called the associate and got permission for me to - to take them and - and do what I - I did.
And how long did you keep them for?---I can't remember. I think I only brought them back last Friday. Is that right? Let me - can I - may I ask? I can't remember the date but I - I returned it to the court.
Were you actually told not to leave the precincts of the court with them?---No, I wasn't told that.
And Mrs Frigger, did you change the documents when - did you - when you gave the documents back, had you done anything with them?---No.
Well, just have a look at that again, very carefully?---Why would I do anything with them? What a joke.
I - - -?---Anyway - - -
- - - asked you to - - -?---I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I - I - I am sorry. I - I - - -
I asked you to find - - -?---I found it. I found it.
- - - page 421?---Yes. And there is it.
And Mrs Frigger - - -?---Yes.
- - - between the time you took that from the custody of the court - - -?---Mm hmm.
- - - and when you brought it back - - -?---Mm hmm.
- - - you've inserted that page in there, haven't you?---No. I had actually pulled them out so that I could actually fax it to your office and I just put them back loosely because I don't have one of these machines to - that - that can bound it. So all - all I did was put them back. That's all I did. I - like I had given it to - to his Honour. That's all I did.
It's not true, is it, Mrs Frigger?---Well, you can say anything you like. That's what I took out of the court and what I've brought back to the court.
When you took it from the court, the copy that had been provided to the court did not have page 1 of that affidavit in it, did it?---Well, what, you think I just, you know, manufactured it out of the air? Is that what you think? Is that what you're implying? Because I didn't.
No. What - - -?---This - actually, I'll tell you what it - this was actually - you know where it was, it was inserted into the back of the file like that.
Mrs - - -?---Yes.
Mrs Frigger - - -?---That's where I found it. And so all I've done is I put - I've reassembled it into the right page order. That's all I have done.
Really?---Yep.
You haven't - - -?---Really.
Did you go to the - didn't you go to the defendant's supplementary bundles, get a copy of that page and insert it in?---No.
So are you saying that that copy - - -?---Yes.
- - - of page 421 - you're shaking your head, Mrs Frigger but just answer my question. Are you saying that that copy of page 421 of the appeal book - - -?---Mm hmm.
- - - is the page, the actual page, that was - - -?---Faxed to you?
Yes?---Yes. Exactly. Exactly what I am saying.
That's exactly what you're saying?---Exactly.
Give me another look at it?---Have a look.
COOK, MR: I wonder could I have a look at this at some stage, too, your Honour?
QUINLAN, MR: Yes, I'll give it to my friend.
Mrs Frigger, go to that page again?---Which one?
The one that we've been - - -?---The green book?
- - - looking at?---The green book or this one?
In the green book?---In the green book. Yep. Yep, 421. I've got it open.
Do you swear on your oath that the copy that is in front of you, in what you've identified as the green book - - -?---Mm hmm.
- - - is the copy that has always been in the green book and is the copy that was faxed on 6 May 2014?---I do swear that, yep. I do swear that.
And that you have not obtained that page from somewhere else and inserted it in the green book?---Absolutely not. I know that I cut all these pages off so that it would go through the fax machine and I know that I had pulled them out because Judge Derrick had only asked me to - to discover certain pages. And when I got it from the court I - I - if I remember rightly they were at the back of that and I just pulled them out and I put them into the correct order. That's all.
And Mrs Frigger - - -?---Yep.
- - - you can't then explain why a facsimile imprint actually appears on the bottom of that page?---No, I can't.
Look in the top right-hand corner, Mrs Frigger, of that page?---Yep.
Do you see it has the numbers 1457?---Yep, I do.
You know where that number comes from, don't you?---I have no idea. I have no idea where that comes from.
It comes from the defendant's second supplementary book of documents, doesn't it?---I - well - - -
Listen to me?---No, just - just let me think. Let me - let me just - so you - when you took this copy away you put the copies back in the book, did you?
Oh, Mrs Frigger.
HERRON DCJ: Mrs - Mrs Frigger, ?---Because - because this is the only place I found them. Sorry. This is - I found them in - sorry.
Mrs Frigger?---Yes, I'm sorry, your Honour.
Please listen to Mr Quinlan's question?---Okay.
QUINLAN, MR: Mrs Frigger, you have just sworn on your oath - - -?---Yep.
- - - that the document that is in front of you is the document that you have had since 6 May - - -?---No, I said this is the book that I got from the court. I took it home. These loose pages were at the back of the book. I pulled them out and I put them - reassembled them into the right page order. That's what I said. And they are the same copies that I faxed on 6 May to the - to you. They're exactly the same page. I haven't had any other copies of these documents other than what I got from this green appeal book.
How did the number get in the top corner then, Mrs Frigger?---Well, I - I think this is what has happened, that you have put copies of them into the back of the file because I certainly didn't extract pages from your defendant's book and put it in there.
Yes you did, Mrs Frigger, didn't you?---I did not.
That's exactly what you did and you've been - - -?---That's exactly not what I haven't done.
You have been - you - - -?---Well, you know, I tell you how to prove it. Go and have a look at the - at your - your books that you've given me. Go on, have a look at them.
The books that I've given you?---Well, you're saying that I've taken these out of your supplementary books and put them into this appeal book document. And I say, well, check our copies to - to prove the point. I haven't put anything out of our - our supplementary books.
You photocopied it?---I have not. If I photocopied it, how come they've got all these - all these - you know, this - this stuff here?
Ask them - pass those loose pages to me again?---If I photocopied it, it would have been a clean page here, clean - clean edge.
You've been caught out, haven't you, Mrs Frigger?---No, I think you've been caught out.
You have taken the documents from the custody of the court personally, not provided them to your solicitor and you have altered them, haven't you?---No, I haven't.
Because it's the case, isn't it - - -
HERRON DCJ: Can - can I - can I just clarify that question because there were two aspects of it? Mr Quinlan asked you, you've taken the two green appeal books from the custody of the court?---I did, your Honour, yes.
He then asked, you've not provided them to your solicitor. Did you provide them to your solicitor?---I did not, no.
And then the next question was, you've kept them in your custody?--- I have kept them all - all along, yes. I - I'll just clarify that, your Honour. At one stage I think it was Ms Moss who spoke to Mr Griffin and asked if she could inspect these green appeal books and I - I believe it was on one of those days where Mr Griffin was not in his office so I didn't take them into the court - into Mr Griffin's office. And then we appeared before you on the last directions hearing and you raised a concern that these - these appeal books had not been brought back to the court and I gave an undertaking that I would, and that's all I did, was I brought them back with - together with the - the - a supplementary books of the plaintiff's documents which I've also brought in at the same time.
QUINLAN, MR: Mrs Frigger, you were in court on the day that those green appeal books were produced, weren't you, on the 19th - - -?--- I produced them.
Just - just listen to me. You were in court on 19 September when I and my learned friend were addressing his Honour in relation to what had been provided to the court in those appeal books?---Correct.
And you heard me say in court that:
The appeal books contain part of the -
- this is at page 683 of the transcript. You heard me say they -
- contain part of the affidavit sworn on 12 October 2010. That is, the pages which are missing appear to be pages 1 and 2 of that affidavit.?---Correct. Well, I can't remember what you were saying but I knew - I know that you were saying that there were certain pages that were missing and you were not happy with that, et cetera, et cetera, because - - -
And - and you - - -?---Because those were the pages I believe that I was not required to discover.
And is that why you say they were missing, because those were - - -?---No, no, no, no, no, I - no, sorry.
- - - the pages you were not required to discover?---No, I'm sorry. There were two issues then on 19 September, as I recall. One was that I had only been asked to discover certain parts of certain affidavits and because I couldn't identify those parts that appeared in one of your books of documents you asked his Honour to make an order that I discover the entire affidavits, and the only copies of the entire affidavits I had were from these green appeal books. So the next day I brought the whole appeal book in with me. That's exactly what I did.
And you heard me say that the affidavit of 12 October 2010 had pages 1 and 2 missing?---Yep.
And after that - - -?---You mean they were missing from the appeal book?
Yes?---Okay. Yep.
Well, that's what I said in court. You were in court when I said it?---Well, I don't remember everything that you say in court, so are you asking me if I remember that or are you asking me if you actually said it? What's your question?
I identified that there were pages missing in the affidavit in court?---Okay. If you say that, you know, I'm not going to argue with you because I can't remember everything that you said.
Well, you remember that, don't you?---No. All I remember was that you were not happy that the whole affidavit had not been discovered because Judge Derrick had only asked me to discover certain documents and I was not able to verify, of the pages that you were asking me about, which affidavit belonged to - which pages belonged to which affidavit. That was the issue as far as I remember.
On the next day, when you produced the appeal books - - -?---Yes.
- - - I made submissions that there were pages missing from the affidavits in the appeal books. That's why there was another order made on that day?---Yep.
Yes?---Well - - -
And you - - -?---Because I - well, as I understood - look, I'm not a lawyer. As I understood it, because I couldn't identify the pages you were asking me about as to which affidavit it belonged, his Honour said I should bring the whole affidavit in. That's how I understood it. Maybe I'm wrong.
And after I had identified that there were pages missing you came and took the affidavit from the custody of the court, and over a week later you brought it back?---Yes.
And the pages that I had identified that were missing were now in the appeal book?---Yep.
And they had on them numbers in the top right-hand corner that showed that they had actually come from documents filed by the defendants?---Yep.
And you did that, didn't you?---No, I didn't. As I said, I got the appeal books - I didn't even make photocopies of the appeal books, by the way.
Your Honour - - -?---I haven't made copies of them for anybody. I simply brought them back to the court and gave them back to his Honour's office.
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