10 Mr Crane gave further evidence during the hearing. He answered a question put by the Council's representative, which led to an exchange with the Commissioner as follows:
Q. Okay, go back a step. You heard in my opening that I said to Commissioner that we don't need to crystal ball gaze at what may ensue in this application because here we have an applicant who has unlawfully, with a small "u", making use of units contrary to a condition for serviced apartments and he's endeavouring to regularise that use through a consent now, correct?
A. Yes, in levels 1 to 8?
Q. Yes?
A. Yes.
Q. So what we are supposing might follow by way of the amenity impacts, Mr Crane, was in fact heard this morning by those residents complaining about what they've suffered to date as a result of short-term stayers, correct?
A. Some were general suppositions and others were - I didn't really get the feeling that there was actual events, specific events, it was more of a concern and supposition.
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Q. Mr Crane, it seems to me that the issue that I have to deal with is not necessarily whether the units in question are more suitable for residential use or serviced apartments, that decision was made and they're obviously suitable for serviced apartments because they were designed for that purpose, the real question is whether the potential mix of permanent residents and people using serviced apartments is appropriate. The DCPCs know you say you've seen no evidence to say that people living in serviced apartments are likely to create any more amenity impacts then those living in residential accommodation. Is that a fair description of what you've said?
A. It is, Commissioner. I mean I myself live in a residential flat building where people have lived opposite us in a rental situation and we've had a concierge and that sort of thing and there couldn't be nicer tenants of that unit.
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Q. Are they permanent, they're long-term tenants?
A. They were just over 6 months and they were here as IT specialists working for Channel 7.
Q. How would the management plan deal with short-term serviced apartments on a regular basis if say, had to catch the 6 o'clock plane to London? I mean are they banging down the corridors at 3 o'clock in the morning. I mean the concierge isn't going to probably be running around all night, won't be standing in the corridor while they leave. I mean it's these spontaneous acts of noise that are the problem. And that's one of the problems with management plans, is that you require a fair degree of oversight to make sure these things happen and simply by their nature they can't manage every potential impact or every potential noise impact. I suppose it goes down to the propensity of the people to make noises and it goes back again to that question of whether people who use serviced apartments are likely to create more amenity impacts or noise or disturbances than long term tenants. I've heard your evidence, it just seems to me that that's really the thrust of the issue that I have to decide.
A. Commissioner, I've travelled a lot as I'm sure you have and I've been in many hotels where that sort of situation where somebody might get up early in the morning and leave but that hasn't disturbed me so it's on the individual.
Q. Yes. I suppose the question is, if you're in a residential situation or a long-term residential situation and you are disturbed on a more regular basis by people who are short stay tenants, is that a reasonable situation? Should you create the situation that generates that potential conflict? That seems to me the question that I have to deal with.
A. In my opinion, the sort of situation that you're referring to would be infrequent and possibly not as dramatic as being suggested.
11 The applicant's representative then questioned Mr Crane. Mr Crane gave the following evidence:
Q. The noise getting from the corridor, to use the learned Commissioner's example, the person leaving for the airport early in the morning, the noise would have to be transferred from the corridor into a unit in order to disturb a person living in any of the units?
A. Well I presume so. It would be a matter of the closer on the door or whether or not it would allow the door to slam versus somebody, you know, being less, I suppose, considerate.
Q. But I understood what the Commissioner was saying was a concern, perhaps the person leaving the unit on a floor could disturb other people on the same floor if they were leaving early, for example, to get an early flight?
A. Yeah, when background noise is very low, for example.
Q. But the council has imposed conditions of noise conditions on the application and presumably the building was constructed to meet the needs of that type of use when it was originally built?
A. I presume it was but I haven't done any inspection to be able to verify that.
Q. So if there was a concern that noise might transfer from the hallway areas into units, that could be addressed by what, an acoustic report?
A. If it was a concern an acoustic report would no doubt be of assistance to whether or not the standard of construction overcomes that issue or whether something else needs to be done to ensure that that occurs.
Q. And the levels are also supervised 24 hours a day, 7 days a week by management?
A. Well they are but I take the Commissioner's point, the concierge can't be on every floor supervising what happens.
Q. And those spontaneous noise events could occur whether it be a person who had been residing there for 2 weeks or a person who had been residing there for 6 months?
A. Yes, except for the frequency of it happening every 2 weeks versus somebody that was there, you know, for 6 months, might be more for the short stay.